Ethnicity, nationalism, Englishness and Britishness

 This is in two parts … ethnicity and nationalism first (mine) … then Englishness with our Steve and Britishness with Bill.

As the atmosphere around this question, esp. in Britain/England is so toxic, I thought I could make this point on the whole issue by initially looking downunder at two news items:

And the bio on Wiki:

Why do I see him as not being of the slightest issue in a major role as state premier? Can Lucy White help out here?

Well, the first group are obviously English speakers and of home countries stock … whilst the third worlders are not. But what of Mr. Crisafulli? Italian or Sicilian, mafia involved in that land. There’s this song about Sicilian Born too:

I lived three months in Sicily, becoming friends with a young lady there … we spoke English. So on what basis do we have no objection to a home countries’ person and how does a Sicilian fit in there? I’d say being industrious is one major factor, good attitude, western culture maybe underpinned by cultural Christianity … assimilating.

There was an anecdote about Melvyn Bragg falling asleep at the theatre, the day after an Ashes clash. He woke up, shouting, “Bloody Australians!” To which his friend agreed, “Yeees, yes.” Dearieme here would regularly resent Americans, a reader from Lancashire could not stand Jocks. As for Brummieland … well! There’s stick between quite a few Americans and Canadians.

Up to this point, whom do we welcome, of all of the above, and whom not welcome? And is English an ethnicity, a language, a culture or is it a tag foreigners adopt once clutching their ILR? And would you agree that there are two questions here … is Englishness, Welshness etc. an ethnicity but nationality is just a bit of paper, an ILR so the extended family does not get kicked out?

Rupert upset the young bucks of Restore by saying he’d boot out illegals and overstayers but not so much those here legally, e.g. a Crisafulli type.

Steve from Unherdables (and of late in comments, at OoL) wrote this about Englishness:

Poole is sunny and bright today. The bird bath in my garden, frozen over. Bushes full of hungry Chaffinch now winter is upon us. Roll on the summer of ’27, a special year for the English..

On 12th July 927 AD, near Eamont in Cumbria, King Æthelstan met with several Celtic kings across Britain. At this meeting was the English Lord of Bamburgh, and possibly other nobles from the Viking territory of Northumbria. King Æthelstan brought the kingdom of Northumbria within his control, and in doing so, he was the first person to create the ‘kingdom of the English’, the forerunner to modern England.

Æthelstan had, in effect, created one nation for all the English people, and they were for the first time united under one ruler. From that point forward, King Æthelstan was no longer just King of the Anglo-Saxons; he became Rex Anglorum, King of the English. The 12th of July is England’s birthday, and in 2027 England will be 1100 years old, making England the oldest country in Western Europe 🙂”

Reader Bill came in about Britishness:

“The History of the British extends from around 1500 BC to the present day. There is no history of any nation on Planet Earth that has been so disgracefully abused and so completely distorted and mangled as that of the British Nation. The appalling mess that the 3500 years of British national record is now in is a National disgrace.

A major Kingdom of Britain was based in Khumric Wales that was much larger than it is today and the Kings resided in South East Wales and in the Midlands of what is now England. There were at least seventy-eight successive Kings ruling from this area from the arrival of Brutus in 500 BC to AD 1300. The collapse began when Iestyn ap Gwrgan was deposed in AD 1091 and King Morgan was murdered by Edward I of England in AD 1300.

Here we have another problem as the megalomaniac Edward I of England finally succeeded in having Llewellyn Olaf (the last) a Prince of tiny North West Wales assassinated in AD 1282, and in AD 1300 he declared his second son Edward II to be “prince” of Wales. Strange as Wales was always a Kingdom. This was to lead to further gigantic historical distortions.

https://www.black-shuck.co.uk/arthur/history.html

Official history cannot be relied on for accuracy any more than the above can.
Fwiw I take the above to be closer to the truth than the ‘official’ history.”

To which Steve added:

“The Plantagenets weren’t called “the devil’s brood” for nothing, Bill. Nothing of what you say would have happened if England hadn’t been conquered by William the Bastard in AD 1066. Despite their cathedral building they enjoyed killing and did not honour Him:

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him – Colossians 3:17

I refer you to the Domesday Book, commissioned in AD 1085 by William the Conqueror. Its current location is the National Archives in Kew, London.”

So, dear reader, are we any furtherer on what is English, British, whom we ship out, whom we let stay? And if we push Big Tent, then does that extend to Zionists, Deathculters and third worlders of alien habits?