Penseivat from yesterday:
A possible solution to the Aston Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv problem, is to ban everyone from going, apart from a few tv cameras. Let them play in an empty stadium. If the AV supporters complain, and they will, they should be directed to the local mosques, for starting the threats to the TA supporters.
Andy (Villa supporter) from yesterday:
I am a fan of Villa and have given some thought to this. Not having a dog in the race I can’t side with either combatant in the conflict, both guilty in my mind. Any danger to public safety is likely to come from the rent-a-mob crowd. My hope would be that if the Maccabi supporters are permitted and face violence from the usual suspects that the Villa s would form a cordon and protect the away fans. Either way this is a shameful decision by the Safety Advisory Group.
Right ... my own view is heavily swayed by this gutless clown, the CC:
My position is that I'm firstly this ✝️ as the west traditionally was underpinned by after the "dark ages" but if we're talking nations, then primarily Cross of St George and Union Flag, with friendships in the other home countries, plus Ireland (Cork), plus the US, Canada, downunder, France, Russia, other eastern European nations, Italy, other Christian nations.
I believe that within your nation, you fly your country's flag only ... that's my bottom line. In the US, I'd support MAGA, in Germany AfD, in the Netherlands - whatever Eva supported, in Canada Sarah and Alberta ... and so it goes on.
And now various views from X:
Lastly, my own view on the match is call it off, on principle. If it goes ahead, then the civil war starts and that's another story.
JH,
ReplyDeleteCalling off the match may be a short term solution, but Shirley, the precedence has then been set? Which other matches will be called off, if one group of supporters, or religiously tunnel visioned morons, threaten the safety of the other group? Somehow, the authorities have to show who is running the country. If they make a mess of this, through appeasement, then the whole world will know who won, and this will probably have an ongoing effect on playing in Britain. Then, why stop at football? Pakistan cricketers playing against England? Will the England supporters be safe? And so it may go on.
As an aside, in the Islamic world, appeasement is seen as a weakness to be exploited, often using taqquiya to deceive their enemy, (it's permissible to lie if it furthers the cause of Islam) and any one who is not a muslim, is an enemy, no matter what they say.
In the interests of this country remaining (fairly) civilised, I hope the correct decision is made.
Penseivat
It is apparent that most of Birmingham is a muslim ghetto of their own making and no one has done anything to dismantle it. And this true for many other cities such as Bradford and Manchester. And of course, London.
ReplyDeleteI think matters regarding islam will have to get much much worse before anyone even thinks about addressing the existential problem.
At that point of crisis I think islam will have to be outlawed and all of the mosques demolished.
So we had best start preparing for the coming civil war.
Last year, an amnesty bin in a Birmingham mosque yielded ‘dozens of machetes, an axe, large knives and other blades’ (Birmingham Live) - and one can assume what was handed in is a tiny fraction of what is still out there in the community.
ReplyDeleteThis is something more than run-of-the mill football hooliganism: the threat is not from brawling mobs spontaneously fighting with fists or whatever is to hand (notoriously cafe chairs in some European cities) but from an organised and prepared muster with a level of weaponry which would not have been out of place on a medieval battlefield.
How it should be dealt with, I don’t know (and I am very glad I am not responsible for deciding), but, were the match to go ahead in Birmingham, I’d advise Israeli supporters of Maccabi Tel Aviv to think twice about visiting a country where a police liaison officer can tell rioters (after a man died in a street fight outside a mosque)
‘If there are any weapons or anything like that, then what I would do is discard them at the mosque, […] if there’s any weapons, get rid of them, we are not going to arrest anybody.’ (Telegraph)
(Editing error: For the sake of clarity, should have made clear that the death took place elsewhere and was not part of the incident.)
ReplyDeleteGoing to run the two long comments at Jstack because we have another readership there ... I'll put a lead in something like: Other thoughts on ... etc. etc. Then plan to screenshoot the two comments, put the lead-in in text on X, attach the screenshot. If either of you are not happy in any way, I'll instantly remove of course.
ReplyDeleteOk, here's the first part:
Deletehttps://jameshigham.substack.com/p/aston-villa-maccabi-and-birmingham
If you are referring to mine, go ahead, but I’m a little concerned about that ambiguous and misleading reference: could you end the screenshot at ‘battlefield’, please? (The police liaison officer has been quoted elsewhere so presumably that part is already widely known. )
ReplyDeleteMany thanks!
I can easily alter that text now at Jstack, before it goes up at X.
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